Kim Petras Official Thread

[melodicmoonlight]

The debut album should have led with All She Wants featuring Paris Hilton. After the pandemic, we didn't hear much from Kim and she lost a bit of the momentum she had built from 2017-2019. Two tours in one year, a rapidly growing fanbase. What she started was impressive and that's why she was even a candidate for a major label deal. However, what she needed in 2021 was a high-profile collab that could go viral to capture attention again. I have no idea why the label would sit on All She Wants other than scheduling conflicts on Paris's end and waiting for an ideal time for them both to promote it together. I mean they even showed up to the 2021 VMA red carpet together...

All She Wants out of all the songs we've heard is the most sure-fire, pure Kim Petras song. It's a continuation of I Don't Want It At All but heightened for the dance club. Campy, bratty, and pure pop. FSN was a great single but let's be real, it wasn't mediocre enough to take off. Republic put way too many expectations on that lead single to be the magic song to take off and when it didn't, they pulled all funding. That and the abysmal mismanagement with the huge gaps in release from the live performance and then the MV coming out in October. At that point, the era was off to a rocky start, or so we thought. Coconuts and HIFTB were performed with no release date in sight, until we got a pre-save link for Coconuts teasing its releasing a whole two months later. Coconuts should've always been a summer single, if not spring. Once we got a dance video as the official MV, the era was officially killed off. Then Slut Pop was born to "hold fans over" but in reality it served as her main release for 2022 and now she's back to the drawing board, recording brand new songs with different producers like Earwulf and Ian Kirkpatrick. No more Luke. I think the backlash from Slut Pop scared the label. It being produced solely by Luke and being very raunchy didn't sit well with Kesha stans and thus the #FreeKesha hashtag was spammed all over Kim's socials. Yet, the project was green lit by the label in the first place. They didn't have the foresight?

Anyway, in a perfect roll out I think Revelations and Born Again would've been great followup singles to All She Wants. Beyond single choice though, what's really wrong with Kim's career post-pandemic is the team around her. She hired fans to be her creative and managing team, also known as 'BunheadHQ.' They are recent college grads who do not have industry experience and seem just thrilled to be working with their all time fave artist, going to Coachella, and being in Hollywood. It's dragged Kim down exponentially. She doesn't have the same stylist or manager she did during Clarity. And now she's distanced herself from Aaron Joseph and apparently Luke. The major label signing threw everything off and here we are a full year after FSN was performed at Lollapalooza and she said her next single is coming "soon but not soon soon." WTF does that mean? Things remain vague which is infuriating as a fan. 

I truly hope she can pull an Ava Max who was signed in 2016 and didn't get her breakthrough hit until 2018 with Sweet but Psycho. Fingers crossed. Kim is a huge talent, has an incredible voice, and stands out being a trans pop star. If given the right support, promotion, and plan she could really break out IMO.

[BCH2003]

So, a lot of stuff got leaked. Everything from her debut album, Problématique, from previous eras, everything. Well, not everything. Dirty Thoughts, Keep It, and Runway Walk didn't get leaked yet. Some are obvious, as Treat Me like a Hoe sounds like a outtake out of Slut Pop, but some of the album songs are pretty good. I'm conflicted with Your Turn to Cry, as it doesn't sound like a Dr. Luke production, like more of a EDM producer. Also, we finally got Sex Up the Fun, with both a solo version and with Azealia Banks's verse with it. You know, what's strange about this is that this was made back in 2019, but it literally has the exact same melody as Faded to where it sounds like an alternate demo. Anyway, here there are if you want to listen to them.

PROBLÉMATIQUE LEAKS
Revelation
https://onlyfiles.io/f/965c65b00d924d4aadbc380c81d33b81

Your Turn To Cry Mastered
https://onlyfiles.io/f/3acfb63255f94239a41743fa0c728903

Something About You
https://onlyfiles.io/f/6e36ce9dc7204173b4237aa1bb4b00aa

Sex Talk
https://onlyfiles.io/f/1c08813a1ce74f47afcdcbb4ff3c1dfa

Problématique
https://onlyfiles.io/f/1acfedb642844efcb9fcbc6e18a04b41

Love Ya Leave Ya
https://onlyfiles.io/f/f2b8ee7d79a1457dabac76620bd3aa04

Left My Body
https://onlyfiles.io/f/8686eff7a0db46c2881ceecd4ec7c69d

Je t'adore Mastered
https://onlyfiles.io/f/a48a03dd822f449d89bc8cb4ad34aa5f

Hit It From The Back
https://onlyfiles.io/f/ab456f29793b4512849224b9e7e09836

Deeper
https://onlyfiles.io/f/5f95ec2cb9d74ce9823a8249edc046f3

Confessions
https://onlyfiles.io/f/f8ace2c5da9f41e89ec423c3b7d4de87

All She Wants
https://onlyfiles.io/f/d040549fa4834e75a81ebb4574f08ac9

Born Again
https://onlyfiles.io/f/676b2100d3da43e6b7fa903c9231c7ca

LEAKS FROM OTHER ERAS
Treat Me Like A Hoe
https://onlyfiles.io/f/4a2040fc719e443daf5a59d67226042c

Design Of Your Heart
https://onlyfiles.io/f/e59d56aac14c469c9a7112afeb6e143d

Plastic Factory
https://onlyfiles.io/f/face44e385b94ccca931a5e1a68e5e94

L'enfant Terrible
https://onlyfiles.io/f/c1a8b1ffcbf84ee2891a36c412b80c43

Sex It Up For Fun Solo + A.Banks
https://onlyfiles.io/f/5c7a09c29c6d4605aec7837e63dc6382
https://onlyfiles.io/f/08ae17e2b935458e88c10cfd4a677ad2

[nanofives]

I certainly love all the songs from Problématique but I can't help thinking that it's somehow safe and the style has little variation, maybe I need to listen a few more times to tell otherwise.
Maybe it's too much Dr. Luke, and I never thought I would say this but I think she needs to diversify her team of writers and producers.

[BCH2003]

I certainly love all the songs from Problématique but I can't help thinking that it's somehow safe and the style has little variation, maybe I need to listen a few more times to tell otherwise.
Maybe it's too much Dr. Luke, and I never thought I would say this but I think she needs to diversify her team of writers and producers.

I think why it's feels so safe and that the style has little variation is for the era that she's channeling, which is early 2000s europop, particularly French House. Some of the songs kind of stay very true to that format. Songs like Modjo's "Lady" or Milky's "Just the Way You Are" don't have a ton of variation in their lyrics or production. It's all very simple, relying on a single hook for the majority of the track. So, while all the songs from Problématique are good, there isn't really a standout moment.

[j.fco.morales]

If I hear all these songs from an artist I would think:

1. The artist knows what she's doing, personality, lyric wise: it makes sense as a whole
2. Great songs, cohesive sound
3. No hit single in sight, give me more songs.

The french house revival is a great idea. The Slut Pop was a great idea as well.

Problematique is the clear standout.
Revelations, Confessions, Something About You and Born Again are cool too.

[Snipes3000]

The debut album should have led with All She Wants featuring Paris Hilton. After the pandemic, we didn't hear much from Kim and she lost a bit of the momentum she had built from 2017-2019. Two tours in one year, a rapidly growing fanbase. What she started was impressive and that's why she was even a candidate for a major label deal. However, what she needed in 2021 was a high-profile collab that could go viral to capture attention again. I have no idea why the label would sit on All She Wants other than scheduling conflicts on Paris's end and waiting for an ideal time for them both to promote it together. I mean they even showed up to the 2021 VMA red carpet together...

All She Wants out of all the songs we've heard is the most sure-fire, pure Kim Petras song. It's a continuation of I Don't Want It At All but heightened for the dance club. Campy, bratty, and pure pop. FSN was a great single but let's be real, it wasn't mediocre enough to take off. Republic put way too many expectations on that lead single to be the magic song to take off and when it didn't, they pulled all funding. That and the abysmal mismanagement with the huge gaps in release from the live performance and then the MV coming out in October. At that point, the era was off to a rocky start, or so we thought. Coconuts and HIFTB were performed with no release date in sight, until we got a pre-save link for Coconuts teasing its releasing a whole two months later. Coconuts should've always been a summer single, if not spring. Once we got a dance video as the official MV, the era was officially killed off. Then Slut Pop was born to "hold fans over" but in reality it served as her main release for 2022 and now she's back to the drawing board, recording brand new songs with different producers like Earwulf and Ian Kirkpatrick. No more Luke. I think the backlash from Slut Pop scared the label. It being produced solely by Luke and being very raunchy didn't sit well with Kesha stans and thus the #FreeKesha hashtag was spammed all over Kim's socials. Yet, the project was green lit by the label in the first place. They didn't have the foresight?

Anyway, in a perfect roll out I think Revelations and Born Again would've been great followup singles to All She Wants. Beyond single choice though, what's really wrong with Kim's career post-pandemic is the team around her. She hired fans to be her creative and managing team, also known as 'BunheadHQ.' They are recent college grads who do not have industry experience and seem just thrilled to be working with their all time fave artist, going to Coachella, and being in Hollywood. It's dragged Kim down exponentially. She doesn't have the same stylist or manager she did during Clarity. And now she's distanced herself from Aaron Joseph and apparently Luke. The major label signing threw everything off and here we are a full year after FSN was performed at Lollapalooza and she said her next single is coming "soon but not soon soon." WTF does that mean? Things remain vague which is infuriating as a fan. 

I truly hope she can pull an Ava Max who was signed in 2016 and didn't get her breakthrough hit until 2018 with Sweet but Psycho. Fingers crossed. Kim is a huge talent, has an incredible voice, and stands out being a trans pop star. If given the right support, promotion, and plan she could really break out IMO.

Good observation

[Snipes3000]

I was thinking, they can keep Future Starts Now as a lead single, but maybe release it a day after Lollapolazza or one or two weeks after she previewed it back on July 6th. I was thinking for Coconuts, that maybe release and preview the song around the summer instead of the winter. As it feels like , and maybe replace Coconuts with Born Again as the second single, and release it on November instead of December like Coconuts. They also said that the third single was going to be Hit it from the Back, but I was thinking maybe replacing All She Wants as the third single in March. Maybe make Hit it From the Back a stand alone single and release it in June just in time for Pride Month.

I was also thinking maybe scrap Slut Pop. While it's a guilty pleasure for me, you could say it was the reason why the original third single was delayed and kind of stalled everything for her. Maybe make Treat Me as a stand alone single for Valentines Day, or maybe next year so it doesn't collide with the album rollout.

Sorry if it comes out jumbled. I don't really work in the music industry, i'm just a music fan. Anyways, hope it answers your questions.

2 single releases is the max. If they hit the targets, then a third can be released etc. Good point to put coconuts out on spring or summer and not December

[Snipes3000]

I think the label took a risk by making Kim Petras one of their top artists. The risk is that money is invested in promotion but targets are not reached. Albeit, all she needs is a song to hit #1. I don't believe in this sound she is putting out now as much as I believe in another sound. Though I must confess that I do not rule out that this sound she is putting out now will become the new trend, so they are making the right move (am I contradicting myself here? Yes I guess so). Once 3-4 singles have been released while being treated as an A artist and nothing happens, then she will never get the chance to be a A-artist again. At least, that's the pattern of the last 30 years by new artists releasing singles. In the book by John Seabrook The Hit Machine this pattern is also stipulated.

[bugmenot]

It took 4 years for Dua Lipa to release an album although she was "number one focus of Warner Music". And New Rules was the sixth solo single...
Luke was saying he'd rather go slow and have a natural growth of a fanbase and name recognition over a one hit wonder, because a one-hit-wonder is a dead end of a career.

[j.fco.morales]

We all agree she has star potential.

Is it helpful to her to work with Luke? And as far as I know, she still writes primarily with Aaron Joseph.
Plus: Doja Cat said she wouldn't work with Dr Luke again.

I said some years ago here in the forum that I think Luke has writing or producing credits on every Kemosabe release even if not involved.

[Snipes3000]

Luke has no writing credit on every kemosabe release. He has contracts with artists wherein it is agreed that he will be the producer of a certain amount of songs on the album. For example on kesha 6 songs per album. And what if his name is not there? They can fix that by giving him credit on a song to get to the agreed productions.

Dua Lipa's third single released on a major albel (Warner) was New Rules and it charted at 6 Billboard (on target). Therewith she has reached the target to be given more shots. The singles released before were released by an indie record label who's mere owner is Dua Lipa. After New rules came IDGAF (49 bb, kind of off target but ok let's give it another try) and then came don't start now (#2 on bb). Then she had Physical (not on target), Break my heart (on target, #13 bb), Hallucinating (not on target), Levitating (on target). Those are great numbers.

When you look at albums like I did above, you can often tell why certain artists fell or started releasing with B producers. Examples that come to mind quickly are Usher, Leona Lewis, Jordin Sparks, and the other member of that band harry styles was in. The latter had a number one i believe on his first album but messed up the second and that meant his azz. This business is merciless for the artists once they are off target, they will shut them down and close all their doors to great people. That's when they realise that those doors were opened because the labels are involved. No matter the status they had before, they are all replaceable. Great songwriters and producers aren't.

[j.fco.morales]

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/doja-cat-dr-luke-name-say-so-1270855/

She says she doesn't think she needs to work with Dr. Luke again. "So High" led to Doja signing a record deal with Dr. Luke, who would later be accused by Kesha of drugging and raping her, leading many artists to speak out against him and refuse to work with him. (Dr. Luke has denied Kesha's allegations and sued her for defamation. Kesha dropped her lawsuit in 2016; Dr. Luke's lawsuit is ongoing.) With the release of Doja's hit "Say So," on which Dr. Luke is credited, Doja received criticism from some of her fans for working with him, which she has often refused to address. "I don't think I need to work with him again. I don't think I need to work with him in the future. I know that," she says. "I think it was definitely nice of me to work with him."

Doja also hinted that she believes Dr. Luke is unfairly credited for some of her songs. "There's shit that he's credited for, where I'm like, 'Hmm, I don't know, I don't know if you did anything on that,'" she says, though she declined to specify which ones. A few weeks later, she sent a follow-up statement denying that Dr. Luke had been unfairly credited on any of her songs, saying her previous comments had been borne out of "sensitivities in the past about certain people attributing my general success to the work of others — in particular, men." "The credits on my music are accurate, and I don't want to imply anything else," she said. ("As it is his daily work, his practice, as is the industry's, is to receive publishing when he creates songs," a representative for Dr. Luke told Rolling Stone in a statement.)

Being a huge fan of Dr Luke's work, I can't ignore he has a reputation...

[melodicmoonlight]

Luke has a reputation, yes. But I also think that reputation gives lots of artists the go-ahead to embellish his deviance. For example, those statements by Doja Cat in that RS article.

The majority of her hits have been Luke-produced or co-penned. Say So was her breakthrough hit. So I find it more to be letting her fans know she doesn't like him while reaping the benefits of his music/production style.

[nanofives]

Maybe leaving behind the nickname was a bad idea, it got traction once we started to see "Dr. Luke" as production credits once again. He didn't need to leave behind MADE IN CHINA or Tyson Trax

[j.fco.morales]

One detail: Doja signed with Kemosabe/RCA in 2014. Her first release as Doja Cat through Kemosabe was Purrr! in August 2014.

The defamation case started on October 2014.

And well, if you're an unsigned act and get an offer, you don't think twice. And Doja is published by Prescription Songs, founded by Luke.